Strangetown Extras: Ophelia loves Johnny and Ripp

[strangetomato]

Well, it's official. Ophelia really does love Johnny and Ripp equally. With the return of InSIM (w00t!), I was able to even up the turn ons, so that the boys were both attracted to blondes with makeup and Ophelia is attracted to guys who are fit and have high charisma, which applies equally to Johnny and Ripp. With all factors equal, so is the chemistry.

Wow. That's a lot of bolts for one household.

Notice that Ophelia would be traumatized if one of them died, but would also hate to lose a dance competition. :P I hope the aspiration hit is less for the dance defeat.

In conclusion, this seems to prove that the secondary aspirations do effect chemistry. Well done, EAxis!

Comments

[music-simbol.livejournal.com]

So, she's happy either way, but who will she actually end up with? Hmmmmmm? I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!

(Course, I'm sure there are a number of chapters left before that is revealed. Poo. :P)

[pixelcurious.livejournal.com]

Both! *crosses fingers*

[music-simbol.livejournal.com]

If they become a PAP-like trio, then I think we should call them 'ORJ' because it's short for ORGY!!!! Tee hee hee. ^_^

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Oh, you're so silly. They need more people for an orgy. ;) I suppose Ripp could recruit a few more... but I can't see the other two really going for it (especially Johnny - can you imagine the arched brow that would bring on? He might be pushing it with just the threesome).

[music-simbol.livejournal.com]

LOL! It may be silly, but it's better than ROJ or JOR. :P

That's exactly why I don't think a threesome will work out. (Ranted a bit in the chapter comments, so I'll shut up now).

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

I always just use JRO, since it's the least like a word.

I still have to respond to your comment. Noticed that I did say MIGHT be pushing it. We'll have to see how it goes. The thing about what you said, and I'll get to talking about it in more detail, is that all three of them don't have to be involved sexually for them to have a three-way relationship. It could be a vee, with no contact at all between Johnny and Ripp.

[pixelcurious.livejournal.com]

"...with no contact at all between Johnny and Ripp."

But... but... that would be so tragic... *sniffles*

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

I'm just saying that this wouldn't prevent the scenario as whole, not that this would necessarily be the case. The three could live as a menage a trois without any sexual contact between the boys at all, or... as another option, they could have limited contact. The three could be involved in a threesome with just some casual contact between the boys.

There are many ways this could play out, if all three do try to stay together.

[pixelcurious.livejournal.com]

That was just my id speaking. I know it could play out many different ways. (Let me count the ways... *wink*)

Johnny has seemed inhibited about sex up until very recently, so I can't truly imagine him just falling into bed with both Phi and Ripp right away. Though you did say he doesn't do things halfway... :D

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

LOL - that's a very good point about how he doesn't do things halfway. I hadn't even thought of that line.

Johnny is a little inhibited, but you know how it is once you jump over that first hurdle. ;) He was just holding out for marriage, but he's obviously not caught up with that anymore, since he's gone and blew it. I don't think that Johnny is unsexual, but he's extremely precise and selective about it. I think it's really connected to his idea of romance, and he's one of those people that would have to love someone first before he really considered them from a sexual point of view.

[ikichi.livejournal.com]

The really sad thing is, I don't think either boy would be fully satisfied with that. They may not even be fully aware of it, but they secretly long for sloppy make-outs. ::nods head sagely::

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

*joins the nod* Yes, you might be right... that id does yearn to be free. There are so many things that people really want to do, if they'd only let themselves act on their desires.

[pixelcurious.livejournal.com]

The Brow might migrate to the top of his head!

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

It might launch into orbit! :O

[pixelcurious.livejournal.com]

Heehee!

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Heheh. I love how you just popped in out of nowhere to chime in.

[leskuh.livejournal.com]

Second that!

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Oh, do you really expect me to tell you how it all works out? ;) You'll have to read it, my friend.

You can bet that they're aren't just going to flip a coin and be done with it.

[orikes13.livejournal.com]

I'm guessing the boys both have three bolts for Phi too? :) How are you handling jealousy? I know that some of the ACR related hacks can help tone down jealousy, but that usually only works for Romance and Pleasure sims. With Phi as family (?) and Johnny as pop, I'd be worried that jealousy might rear its ugly head.

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they do. Chemistry always goes both ways like that. I think the bolt thing, which is considered their chemistry, is the average of their attraction, which might be very different. These three have pretty even attraction all around.

Right now, since I've allowed Ripp and Phi to fall in love, I have turned off jealousy in their household completely. I can always put it back on if I need it, but I probably won't. I handled the jealousy my own way in the story, so I'll just go with that and keep them from becoming enemies with the default game jealousy. I have a global no jealousy hack right now, but since InSIM is back, I could remove that now and just go lot by lot.

[cindyanne1.livejournal.com]

That's awesome. I could see how she'd have three with Ripp because of his aspiration benefit, but so she has three with Johnny now too! Way cool.

I wish I liked her better in my game. I really do! I love her in your game; why can't I like her in mine??? *pleads to the skies* WHY????

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was impressed. I know the aspiration benefit was at work there on some level, but the secondary family aspiration must have had some effect if Johnny changed... unless he was always able to be three bolts, if I changed the turn ons. Hmmm... I guess I'll never know now.

That's funny... she's the same in your game, isn't she? :P

[leskuh.livejournal.com]

Haha! Oh man, that's so awesome! Even your sims themselves seem to be totally up for the threesome thing.

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

My sims themselves are by far the most vocal supporters of that idea.

[leskuh.livejournal.com]

Well they are very smart creatures after all.

[muslemura.livejournal.com]

Now this gave me a ridiculously wide grin

*squee*

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

I know. I'm just amazed that she has a triple bolt with both of them. I usually have a difficult time finding one three bolt match for someone.

[madame-ugly.livejournal.com]

OH MY GAWD, are they REALLY that close to graduating!!

*falls of chair*

Just messing with you.

They have better chemistry than PAP (I think, I'd have to check). And how's about a big HELLS YEAH for inSim being back. *shakes booty*

(oh and I'm wiht music_simbol, I've never really been able to picture the poly thing working with ROJ--I think The Eyebrow Smith would be the stick in the mud)

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

I know... and you thought it would NEVER happen. *snicker* (Now I just play them on vacations, or on a business lot, so time doesn't pass.)

I can't believe they have a three-way three bolt thing going on. That's a crazy amount of chemistry. I guess ACR is definitely out of the question now.

HELLS YEAH! How did you get so lucky that InSIM came out on the same day you installed FT? I'm glad to benefit from your luck.

Really? You were actually one of the very first people to plant the seed in my head that it might be an option for them. I might have never considered it at all, until you said something in the comments way back (I think it was just after Buzz died, with the bathtub scene and all that).

Though, I agree, The Brow would be the one who'd have to come around. It's not an easy sell for him, obviously, but that doesn't mean he couldn't buy into the idea.

[madame-ugly.livejournal.com]

I don't want it to sound like I'm poo-pooing the whole ROJ thing. But the way you've written the three (Johnny in particular) and given their aspirations (Ophelia being family in particular) a seamless merging of the three just doesn't seem likely (and really, a three way sex scene seems bizarre to me, again because of The Eyebrow).

To me it would take a lot of finesse to pull off. Which makes me glad you're so dedicated to this trio (as you can see from PAP, I didn't bother getting into the nitty gritty of how they decided to become a trio, it just happened).

*snicker* In a nutshell, I'm saying better you than me! (really, I'll enjoy the tale no matter which turn it takes, I'm hopelessly devoted to this story)

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

So, what you're saying is, you're not buying it, but you'll read it anyway? Or am I reading that wrong? (It's okay... you don't have to sugar-coat it.)

Well, if I try it and I don't pull it off, I suppose that's all I can do. It don't think it will be the first sim story where a character acts in a way that isn't really explained or makes sense, and it wouldn't be the first change in a character in this story to be unrealistic (like Tank, in the last chapter... if I was being completely realistic, he would probably never speak to Frances again. He changed, which is nice, but it's not really all that believable).

It does make sense to me. It didn't at first, but I wouldn't have headed down this road if I couldn't believe it. Johnny's not a static character, and I thought I was at least giving things time to develop, so it's not all just happening completely out of the blue, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I have written it in such a way as to shoot myself in the foot with this. Well, if I can't sell it, I can't sell it. The thought of having to make this all make some sort of perfectly logical sense is making me feel exhausted. If people really aren't buying it, I could make it all go up in smoke and revert back to one of my many other possible outcomes. Or I could just write it the way I want to, regardless of whether anyone believes it (which is more likely).

I must add, though, that I don't see Ophelia's family aspiration as anything to stop this from happening. I think that having two lovers is not completely out of the question for someone who wants to have a family. It's odd, but I think Ophelia is lost and odd enough to adapt to any form of family she can get.

I also don't know if this possible development will ever be a seamless merging of the three (in a number of senses of that word), but that doesn't mean they couldn't come to some workable arrangement.

I hope I'm not coming off as too defensive/defeated here.

[madame-ugly.livejournal.com]

No, it's not an "I'm not buying it" thing. I think it's more of an "I don't want to see it too easily resolved" thing. Meaning I don't want to see a simple "we're a happy family" trio from them. To that extent, I know that's not possible (given the assorted baggage each bring to the trio). I think Ripp and/or Ophelia really believe they could have that "happy family" thing and Johnny's more realistic about the whole thing (because deep down he really doesn't want to "share" Ophelia).

(I'm going to send you an email about this topic, since I'm going to be a little wordy)

Suffice to say, I don't see ROJ as a poly family but more an open marriage type thing (with Johnny and Ophelia being the married part).

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Okay, well that eases my mind. That's how I hope a lot of people will feel about it, really. I was just afraid you weren't buying that Johnny would even consider letting himself get pulled into this sort of thing at all, even tentatively. I had my own concerns about that at first, but now I really do see him going there, especially with the alien situation. It pushes him into that sort of desperate, unfamiliar territory that Ripp and Ophelia are already occupying.

You can be sure that this won't morph into a "happy family" overnight. I promise you that it won't be so easily resolved (as if you couldn't guess). Part of the reason I like this scenario, and want to dive into it a little, is that it is so complicated and has a lot of potential for drama.

Well, an open marriage is a form of a poly thing, really. One of many forms it could take. I could see them being a "household of three", though. One day... if they work it all out.

[smjoshsims.livejournal.com]

A threesome would be weird. Am I the only one who thinks this? They can ~love one another~ without it having to be sexual. Right?

*gets ready to feel the HATRED*

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

No hatred here, my friend.

I do agree with you that not all love has to be sexual, but then, often it is. I'm of two minds about that. I could see it happening, and it would make sense to me, since people (and sims) are sexual creatures, and friends often do end up in bed together. It happens all the time. Then again, it really doesn't have to happen, just because it could. Not everyone acts on their desires.

Ripp's love for Ophelia is most definitely sexual, though, and I'm sure it is mutual.

[smjoshsims.livejournal.com]

That's true. Although I don't know about Ripp and Johnny's love for one another: I always thought of it as more "brotherly" than sexual. Although, as you said, humans are sexual creatures, its the only way we know how to express our feelings. Or something like that, I read it in a Psych magazine. Maybe Ripp's love for Johnny, since he is a sexual person, (sim, cough) but I don't see Johnny as sexual towards Ripp.

[strange-tomato.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you're not alone there. I'm still working through this, and how it might play out, and I'm not sure if Johnny ever really would be sexually involved with Ripp. I can see it from Ripp, who makes everything about sex, but maybe not Johnny.

If it did happen, it wouldn't be some instant thing, and it really might not happen. It is a very brotherly relationship, and very intimate, but whether it goes beyond that... I'm not sure. I can see that their bond might permit them to stay together and both be with Ophelia, and they could do that, remaining extremely close, without being sexually involved with each other.

I'd be lying if I said I know where they'll end up, but I see that as being the more likely scenario, if they do stay together (and I'm not saying they will).

[80sfiend.livejournal.com]

InSim is updated for FT????!!!! :D :D REALLY? Cause that means I can finally install it!! :D WOOT!